29. januar 2009

Uffe Nielsen om ‘Retten til Palæstina’

Læserbrev af en Uffe Nielsen i dagens Jyllandsposten.

Retten til Palæstina
Som svar til Karen Hansen (21/1) kan jeg oplyse, at der siden år 70 e. Kr. har boet arabere og jøder i Palæstina. Frem til det 4. århundrede var der store akademier, hvor den jerusalemiske Talmud blev til.

I øvrigt har der boet jøder i Hebron uafbrudt fra før Josvas tid og til i dag. At araberne hævder deres ret til hele Mellemøsten som deres eksklusive ejendom er derfor at tilsidesætte et andet indfødt mellemøstligt folks historiske rettigheder fuldstændigt.

I 1907 anslog den britiske konsul i Jerusalem antallet af jøder i Palæstina til 100.000 af en befolkning på 400.000, altså omkring 25 pct. Der var 300.000 arabere, men halvdelen af dem var omrejsende beduiner.

Da de første zionister begyndte at opdyrke landet, virkede de forbedrede forhold tillokkende på de omkringboende folk, og der ankom flere hundrede tusinder arabere, som altså ikke var mere oprindelige end de indvandrede europæiske jøder.

I 1947 var over 70 pct. af jorden statsejendom, og hvad der lå inden for den nye stats grænser i 1948, overgik legalt til Israel.

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  1. Uffe Nielsen har helt og aldeles ret – islam og muslimer har ingen ret til Pælestina, ejheller andre steder hvor de skamløst har knust og slagtet andre folkeslag, deres kriminelle generalie blad mod menneskeheden er lang, ondskabsfuld og grusom.

    De politisk korrekte historiske løgne og revisionisme er ligeledes en kriminel handling mod menneskeheden og kommene generationer, der er ikke ord på hvilke forrædderer de er mod menneskeheden.

    Islam er ikke mere sofistikeret end landsbaseret pirat virksomhed, et primitivt barbarisk stammesamfund der er selv feudalismen underlegen.

    Efraim Karsh kan varmt anbefales, han sætter hele islams historie i et faktuelt perspektiv.

    Islam’s Imperial Dreams
    Muslim political ambitions aren’t a reaction to Western encroachments.
    opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110008181

    ‘Islamic Imperialism’
    hyscience.com/archives/2006/05/karsh_on_islami.php

    632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

    633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35).

    634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: “The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.” To this Khalid retorts: “How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many” (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: “[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists” (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine).

    634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

    635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

    636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

    637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

    638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

    638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

    639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

    641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

    643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

    644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

    644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

    656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

    656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

    657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

    661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

    661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

    673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

    680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

    691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.

    705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

    710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

    711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

    719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

    732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance

    749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids

    756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids

    762 Foundation of Baghdad

    785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

    789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

    800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia

    807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem

    809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy

    813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country

    831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy

    850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer

    855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

    837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France

    869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

    909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia

    928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)

    937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places

    937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked

    960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

    966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

    969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo

    970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East

    973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids

    1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed

    1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937)

    1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

    1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses

    1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

    1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

    1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

    1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate

    1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

    1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia

    1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine

    1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

    1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia

    1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana

    1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies

    1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca

    1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands

    1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970

    1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

    So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.

    Kommentar by Rolf Krake — 29. januar 2009 @ 14:59

  2. Ofte er tegnene på den arabiske indvandring åbenlys: kig på efter-navnene. al-Masri-klanen er feks arabiske bosættere, der indvandrede fra Egypten i 1830erne og 40erne (Misr = Egypten). Bushnaq-klanen er tilsvarende bosniske bosættere, der indvandrede efter 1878 (Bushnaq = en person fra Bosnien – de flyttede fra Bosnien fordi de ikke kunne tåle idéen med at leve under kristne ledere efter området blev Østrigsk administreret). Prøv at google Bushnaq og al-Masri, og se hvad du finder.

    Egypterne bosatte sig spredt blandt de tidligere ankomne muslimske indvandrere, men især i Galilæa (den nordlige del af Israel) og Samaria (den nordlige del af vestbredden) finde hele bosættelser fulde af muslimer fra udlandet – 18 med drusere fra Libanon, 9 med Mutawali´er (shiitiske klaner) fra Libanon, 2 med tjerkessere fra Kaukasus, 9 med marokkanere, 2 med persere (yderligere to i øst-jordan-landet)og 3 med turkmenere fra Tyrkiet og Irak. Desuden to decideret bosniske bosættelser, der dog siden er blevet forladt – jeg mener de fleste søgte ind til Ramallah. Dertil kommer selvfølgelig alle de arabere, der indvandrede uden at bosætte sig som sluttede samfund.

    Golan-højderne er en historie for sig selv – her var koncentrationen af bosættere (primært drusere og tjerkessere) endnu højere.

    Jordans hovedstad Amman startede forøvrigt som en tjerkessisk bosættelse.

    Henrik

    Kommentar by Henrik — 29. januar 2009 @ 18:48

  3. Nå ja:

    Man skal måske også nævne de 100.000 kvadratkilometer jord, som jøderne ejede i den arabiske verden, indtil jorden og hovedparten af resten af deres ejendom blev konfiskeret fra 1948 af (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1195127517604&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull).

    Det svarer til fem gange Israels jordoverflade.

    Henrik

    Kommentar by Henrik — 29. januar 2009 @ 18:50

  4. Lad os så også i denne tid – hvor mussulmænnerne gladeligt i DR og derfor naturligvis uimodsagt påstår at jøder og mussulmænner levede i fred – erindre at Hebrons og Safeds jødiske befolkning i 1929 var udsat for en pogrom af RoB(TM).

    Lad os da også erindre at bebyggelserne Sejera, Kinneret, Degania, Yavniel, Merhaviya, Petah Tikva, Hadera, Ben Shemen, Ness Ziona, Rehovot, Gedera i tidsrummet 1886 – 1914 blev angrebet af mussulmænd.

    Kommentar by Limewoody — 29. januar 2009 @ 19:56

  5. Hmmm i gårsdagens JP samme sektion var der da en PERLE af et læserbrev med så mange idiotiske og løgnagtige påstande, men jeg holdt op med at tælle efter han påstod at 70% af knaldperlerne i Gaza var fordrevne fra Israel og at de havde fået stjålet deres land, meget flot i betragtning af at der dengang var omkring 300000 de fleste rejsende nomader.

    Jeg mener det hed noget i stil med bevidst appartheit altså det sædvanlige klynkeri krydret med løgne overdrivelser og lidt flere løgne.
    Men igen siden 70 og med mediernes kvalmende hjælp har det jo vist sig at kun med løgne og manipulationer kan den “palæstinensiske” sag forsvares.

    Kommentar by Whodares — 29. januar 2009 @ 23:17

  6. Og DE snakker om Vestens aggressive adfærd !

    Gad nok vide hvad det var der gjorde de havde, og stadig har, succes med deres fremfærd.

    Er der nogen der har kendskab til f.eks. militærhistorikere, eller andre forskere, der har forsøgt at finde ud af dette ?

    For det er da i grunden ganske interessant at finde ud af foruden det måske ville kunne hjælp os i vort eget forsvar mod den nuværende islamiseringen.

    Europa er det jo som bekendt ikke lykkedes dem at underlægge sig gennem de 2 tidligere Jihad´er.

    Og uanset hvad forskellige topdogs og meningsdannere måtte sige, tænke eller tro, så ER det en Jihad, den 3. der er igang mod Europa.

    Jeg vil ikke stille spørgsmålet, hvorfor mon ordet Jihad er nævnt som eet af de der sandsynligvis bliver forbudt, af EU, at skrive og tale om for det giver næsten sig selv, når man først har skaffet sig en smule viden om islam.

    Kommentar by Vivi Andersen — 30. januar 2009 @ 01:03

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